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	<title>Comments on: Atari&#8217;s Space Duel Sideart</title>
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		<title>By: Timmy Toolbiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timmy Toolbiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo yo ma!</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Rothe</title>
		<link>http://www.rotheblog.com/2008/03/classic-arcade-games/vectorizing-atari-space-duel-sideart/comment-page-1/#comment-1655</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Rothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Sorry it took me almost a month to reply to this, got lost in my inbox.

On the Baby Pac, you know, I finally played one locally, and I am not sold that I am interested in buying that game.  I felt like the gameplay was just average on both the pinball portion and the pacman game itself, and I kind of wanted Baby Pac-man because ...it&#039;s the Pac-man brand and because I want one pinball.  The pinball just isn&#039;t great.

That is really too bad about getting burned.  It is...a tough hobby.  And knowing how kind and generous you are, that is even more disappointing.  For me, that would have been worse.  I put a lot of emphasis on formality and common curtosy in our everyday culture.  Wish I didn&#039;t have to, my mom brought me up this way.   You were amazing.  I have met some collectors who aren&#039;t very well mannered or adjusted.  But that isn&#039;t any different than any aspect of life, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Sorry it took me almost a month to reply to this, got lost in my inbox.</p>
<p>On the Baby Pac, you know, I finally played one locally, and I am not sold that I am interested in buying that game.  I felt like the gameplay was just average on both the pinball portion and the pacman game itself, and I kind of wanted Baby Pac-man because &#8230;it&#8217;s the Pac-man brand and because I want one pinball.  The pinball just isn&#8217;t great.</p>
<p>That is really too bad about getting burned.  It is&#8230;a tough hobby.  And knowing how kind and generous you are, that is even more disappointing.  For me, that would have been worse.  I put a lot of emphasis on formality and common curtosy in our everyday culture.  Wish I didn&#8217;t have to, my mom brought me up this way.   You were amazing.  I have met some collectors who aren&#8217;t very well mannered or adjusted.  But that isn&#8217;t any different than any aspect of life, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.rotheblog.com/2008/03/classic-arcade-games/vectorizing-atari-space-duel-sideart/comment-page-1/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does feel good to know that it found a good home. I haven&#039;t been messing with the hobby much due to a lack of time, and everything I have works now. (Fingers crossed) Actually, I take that back, I do have a Baby Pac if you are still looking for one. It is semi working and I would take $300 for it. Nice side art and a new control panel overlay that needs to be applied. 

I pretty much quit trying to sell/trade games or parts after I got burned last year on a deal when a guy wanted a refund but wouldn&#039;t send the part back. I finally refunded his money knowing he wouldn&#039;t follow through and when he had the cash back, he kept the part and posted a bunch of trash. Haven&#039;t really kept up with it since then but glad to see you have gotten into the hobby as much as you have. If I work on a game now, it is someone elses machine and usually in a laundromat... Not exactly fun, but it keeps me busy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does feel good to know that it found a good home. I haven&#8217;t been messing with the hobby much due to a lack of time, and everything I have works now. (Fingers crossed) Actually, I take that back, I do have a Baby Pac if you are still looking for one. It is semi working and I would take $300 for it. Nice side art and a new control panel overlay that needs to be applied. </p>
<p>I pretty much quit trying to sell/trade games or parts after I got burned last year on a deal when a guy wanted a refund but wouldn&#8217;t send the part back. I finally refunded his money knowing he wouldn&#8217;t follow through and when he had the cash back, he kept the part and posted a bunch of trash. Haven&#8217;t really kept up with it since then but glad to see you have gotten into the hobby as much as you have. If I work on a game now, it is someone elses machine and usually in a laundromat&#8230; Not exactly fun, but it keeps me busy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Rothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Rothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a nice surprise of an email, good to hear from you Chris.

I just got the &lt;a href=&quot;/2007/07/photos/photo-galleries-from-picasa/?album=NashvilleArcadeGamePurchasesSeptember2006&quot;&gt;Nashville bulk buy Pengo&lt;/a&gt; up and working this last October, and play it just about daily.  I love that game so much.  I am glad you found this site, and hopefully you&#039;ll come back and leave some more comments because you know so much about repair and arcade games in the Nashville, Tennessee area.  

But I bet it feels good to know that the &lt;a href=&quot;/?p=953&quot;&gt;Pengo&lt;/a&gt; went to somehow who really wanted it, and wasn&#039;t looking to just do a bulk arcade game deal for some big profit.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a nice surprise of an email, good to hear from you Chris.</p>
<p>I just got the <a href="/2007/07/photos/photo-galleries-from-picasa/?album=NashvilleArcadeGamePurchasesSeptember2006">Nashville bulk buy Pengo</a> up and working this last October, and play it just about daily.  I love that game so much.  I am glad you found this site, and hopefully you&#8217;ll come back and leave some more comments because you know so much about repair and arcade games in the Nashville, Tennessee area.  </p>
<p>But I bet it feels good to know that the <a href="/?p=953">Pengo</a> went to somehow who really wanted it, and wasn&#8217;t looking to just do a bulk arcade game deal for some big profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I was bored at work and decided to type in Craigslist and arcade in the search engine, and this site popped up on the search. The name sounded familar, but I couldn&#039;t place it. I read a little, then see a Pengo. I think about it, and then I know who owns this site. 

Glad to see that you have gotten into this hobby as much as you have. I also promise, I was going to get rid of that storage unit, and did eventually sell everything in it to another collector in a package deal. Trust me, we were going to work out the deal on that Pengo, if I had to drive it to you. It just would have taken longer...

&quot;The guy in Nashville&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I was bored at work and decided to type in Craigslist and arcade in the search engine, and this site popped up on the search. The name sounded familar, but I couldn&#8217;t place it. I read a little, then see a Pengo. I think about it, and then I know who owns this site. </p>
<p>Glad to see that you have gotten into this hobby as much as you have. I also promise, I was going to get rid of that storage unit, and did eventually sell everything in it to another collector in a package deal. Trust me, we were going to work out the deal on that Pengo, if I had to drive it to you. It just would have taken longer&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The guy in Nashville&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Rothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Rothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, 

Richard and Eric, interesting how Eric was good enough to know how to screen the two different colors and come up with the additional colors of orange and green for the Space Duel sideart without ever having done silkscreening himself...Good pickup Erc.  

What would you need Richard to identify if there were two blues needed.  Would the scan suffice?  Would you need nice photos from chad of the sideart?  Or would he have to send you pieces of the artwork to truly identify how many blue screens Atari used?  Is it possible they just change the application of the color to get a different shade?

Chad has a great new blog about his great pickup in the Space Duel cabinet at craftygeek.blogspot.com.  Sounds like he is going to be a great resource if this actually makes it to print and makes fiscal sense to make a short production run of side art.  Thanks for the offer Chad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, </p>
<p>Richard and Eric, interesting how Eric was good enough to know how to screen the two different colors and come up with the additional colors of orange and green for the Space Duel sideart without ever having done silkscreening himself&#8230;Good pickup Erc.  </p>
<p>What would you need Richard to identify if there were two blues needed.  Would the scan suffice?  Would you need nice photos from chad of the sideart?  Or would he have to send you pieces of the artwork to truly identify how many blue screens Atari used?  Is it possible they just change the application of the color to get a different shade?</p>
<p>Chad has a great new blog about his great pickup in the Space Duel cabinet at craftygeek.blogspot.com.  Sounds like he is going to be a great resource if this actually makes it to print and makes fiscal sense to make a short production run of side art.  Thanks for the offer Chad.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job on the side art so far Eric! I am the one who Eric contacted and provided the scans that are being used for the reproduction. If you need any additional information, flecks of color for color matching or anything, feel free to drop me an email. Oh and I can&#039;t forget, nice write up too, Jeff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job on the side art so far Eric! I am the one who Eric contacted and provided the scans that are being used for the reproduction. If you need any additional information, flecks of color for color matching or anything, feel free to drop me an email. Oh and I can&#8217;t forget, nice write up too, Jeff!</p>
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		<title>By: zorg</title>
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		<dc:creator>zorg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Richard for this clarification, unfortunatly I can&#039;t provide anything else than scans. 

I will provide you the file, this way you&#039;ll be able to comment and recomend any adjustment needed in order to have a file ready for screening (if it will or not reproed is not considered right now)

Regarding how many colors where used, unfortunatly I did not have a Space Duel cab on hand, to check. I will ask the owner if he can provide more material, let me know what will be needed ?

one more point, if I understand the white color due to the vinyl itself, does that mean that I have to have the white parts set to &quot;transparent filling&quot; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Richard for this clarification, unfortunatly I can&#8217;t provide anything else than scans. </p>
<p>I will provide you the file, this way you&#8217;ll be able to comment and recomend any adjustment needed in order to have a file ready for screening (if it will or not reproed is not considered right now)</p>
<p>Regarding how many colors where used, unfortunatly I did not have a Space Duel cab on hand, to check. I will ask the owner if he can provide more material, let me know what will be needed ?</p>
<p>one more point, if I understand the white color due to the vinyl itself, does that mean that I have to have the white parts set to &#8220;transparent filling&#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep thats the way to go. especially if for color match purposes whether its inkjet or screened youve got more control keeping them seperate. the elements to be composited for say the green later can be combined with the Yellow and Blue layers. Although typically there wouldnt be a white screen on sideart like this. The white is from the vinyl itself usally. so its possible 2 blues may have been used. Hard to say for sure without actually seeing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep thats the way to go. especially if for color match purposes whether its inkjet or screened youve got more control keeping them seperate. the elements to be composited for say the green later can be combined with the Yellow and Blue layers. Although typically there wouldnt be a white screen on sideart like this. The white is from the vinyl itself usally. so its possible 2 blues may have been used. Hard to say for sure without actually seeing it.</p>
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		<title>By: zorg</title>
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		<dc:creator>zorg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this one on your Blog Jeff.

regarding the sideart, the artwork is complex and will take a lot of time to trace but as far as I understood the silk screening process there is just 5 color to deal with.
blue, yellow, red, white and black.

the remaining colors are obtained by the superposition of the previous ones. 
red + yellow will results in orange.
blue + yellow will results in in green.
blue + white will give the pale blue.

and regarding thoose &quot;composite colors&quot; 
eg for green I&#039;m currently tracing the shappe and in fact I duplicate the shapes on both blue and yellow &quot;primary&quot; colors. plus I&#039;ve set up for visualisation purpose an accessory layer that hold the same shape color filled in green.

This way I have a visual rendering correct, and what I hope will be usefull for screen printers like Richard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this one on your Blog Jeff.</p>
<p>regarding the sideart, the artwork is complex and will take a lot of time to trace but as far as I understood the silk screening process there is just 5 color to deal with.<br />
blue, yellow, red, white and black.</p>
<p>the remaining colors are obtained by the superposition of the previous ones.<br />
red + yellow will results in orange.<br />
blue + yellow will results in in green.<br />
blue + white will give the pale blue.</p>
<p>and regarding thoose &#8220;composite colors&#8221;<br />
eg for green I&#8217;m currently tracing the shappe and in fact I duplicate the shapes on both blue and yellow &#8220;primary&#8221; colors. plus I&#8217;ve set up for visualisation purpose an accessory layer that hold the same shape color filled in green.</p>
<p>This way I have a visual rendering correct, and what I hope will be usefull for screen printers like Richard.</p>
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